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A Simple Solution to a Messy Problem

     
Being the parent of an autistic child comes with its fair share of problems, and some of them are things that nobody ever warns you about. I'll warn you right up front that this post involves bodily fluids, and although it is not particularly graphic it does involve one of those problems that is a little bit gross. The happy news is that I am about to provide a practical, step-by-step guide on how I eliminated this issue, so if you aren't squicked out by photos of a (clean) toilet, then read on.

Benjamin was not potty trained for a very long time. He was in pull-up diapers all the way until after his twelfth birthday, when the fine educators at Princeton House Charter School finally helped us to get him to successfully use the toilet consistently. At the time he was barely sixty pounds, and he learned to toilet by always sitting down. Seven years later he is a fully grown adult, and sitting down to urinate has become a bit of a problem. I would frequently walk into his bathroom to find a puddle of urine on the floor at the base of the toilet. At first I thought he was just "missing the target", but I eventually realized that what was happening was a bit different.

You ladies out there probably don't know about this, but when an adult male is seated on the commode he doesn't have to be particularly well-endowed to have his private parts come into contact with the inside front edge of the toilet bowl, in fact it is almost impossible to avoid. This generally does not present a problem as long as things are properly pointed downward, but in Benjamin's case what was happening was the combination of contact, flow, and capillary action that caused a portion of his urine to overflow the front edge of the bowl and then run down onto the floor. He is not self-aware enough to realize that this is happening, and frankly I just have no desire hover over my adult sun while he is in the bathroom and handle his junk. Call me crazy, it's just not on my to-do list.

I looked around the web for solutions, and every device I found was both expensive and seemed awkward. Also, this is a bathroom that is frequently used by visitors so I needed a solution that was unobtrusive and could remain in place without inconveniencing other users. I rolled around a few notions in my head and wandered the aisles of my local home improvement store, when I finally hit upon the perfect answer: weatherstripping!


Before leaving for the home improvement store I had measured the gap between the toilet bowl and the underside of the seat and found that it was about 1/4", so I knew that I needed something that was just a little bit wider and that would compress to create a tight seal. This is precisely what weather stripping is designed to do, and I found a roll of adhesive-backed stripping that was 3/8" thick.

Some before photos of the toilet, showing the gap and the underside of the seat:




As you can see, the underside of a toilet seat  has a couple of feet that rest on the upper rim of the toilet bowl. I assume this has to do with cleanliness, minimizing direct contact between the seat and the bowl. In any case, that was the gap I needed to close. I made sure the underside of the seat was clean and dry so that the adhesive backing on the weatherstripping would stick properly, and then I measured and cut three pieces and put them in place.


Before actually attaching the strips I double-checked their positioning to ensure that they would make maximum contact with the rim of the bowl. When the seat was lowered, I could see that there was good contact all around and that the seat was very slightly raised from where it would normally sit. The weight of a seated person is enough to compress the weatherstripping and create a tight seal.


After several days of this solution in place, I am able to declare absolute victory. The floor at the base of the toilet has remained perfectly dry, and so I have been spared from breaking out the cleaning supplies multiple times per day and cleaning up that icky puddle. I do have to periodically lift the seat and wipe down the rim of the bowl to clean up some residual standing fluids, but that is as simple as a quick wipe with toilet paper and then a washing of my hands. Honestly, though, that is such a vast  improvement in the bathroom situation that I am overjoyed. We can now have house guests without my constantly needing to be paranoid of them stumbling into a gross-out situation, and I no longer have to mop up puddles on the floor.

Weatherstripping: your best friend when sanity has deserted you.

44 Comments:
TimWarp
Creative!
Is standing not an option? Can he do public urinals? (Too personal a question?) I thought you were going to say you bought one of those plastic flies you put on the bottom of the bowl, to give him something to aim at!
Bob Richardson
I just wish there was a toilet seat with a molded in deflector as part of the manufacuring process
Paul
I have found a great cheap solution that is more permanant. www.toiletshield.co.uk
He has used urinals in the past, but he prefers to sit. Plus, we didn't really want to install a urinal in our home. ;-)
Caitlin
Oh my goodness thank you so much for figuring out a solution to this nasty problem! I am potty training little boys and I prefer to teach them to sit until they are older, thus we have constant puddles and stink. I have tried unsuccessfully to make my own "pee guards" but they never seem to last, so thank you!!
Lisa
As amom to a autistic 6 year old even when they stand they manage to still dribble and it runs down the front of toile looking for a solution. .....
You're welcome. When I first wrote this post, my wife read through it and just said, "ew..." I was afraid it might be a bit too gross, but I figured other people had to be experiencing the same issues. I really hope this helps.
Val
Just letting you know that your suggestion may be my sanity saver while my Dad is visiting for a month. Thank you!
Karen
Oh my goodness!! Thank you so much Ron!!!!!!
Kim
Fantastic idea!! I have been struggling with this for a couple of years in my house. I just purchased a tent trailer and will be using a porta toilet for night time use, and I was trying to figure out how to ensure there would be no 'spills', like you I felt the deflector would get in the way. Thank you for posting this.
Mark
This is GREAT. My father can't see well enough to consistently hit the target standing and when sitting, I assume he is "going" between the seat and the toilet. So far so good!
desert
This is similar to what I had in mind..a dam if you will, under the seat..this however looks god awful...a large piece of the material the bumpers are made of that would be curved and reach from existing bumper to bumper would solve the problem I think...can't believe someone hasn't built one yet?
Tammie
THANK YOU!!! Besides being the single parent of a teenaged boy with autism, I am the caretaker for my elderly father. Both of them have this problem and I end up spending a lot of time mopping the bathroom floors at both houses. My dad started using a baby wipe to drape over the toilet seat, but the chemicals discolored the seat and eventually removed the finish down to bare wood. I had the same concern about the traditional deflector for my son, and my dad was too embarrassed to try an above-seat deflector. This is the perfect solution! I am off to the hardware store!
Chris
Thanks for sharing. This will solve a problem at my house as well.
Liz
I noticed that you attached the weatherstripping to the underside of the seat. Does that create problems with drips if the seat is lifted shortly after the toilet has been used? I was wondering if you had tried attaching the weatherstripping to the rim instead. If it is attached close to the interior edge of the rim, it could prevent urine from pooling on the rim. How easy is it to keep the weatherstripping clean? I was also wondering if you had tried flexible tubing, since that seems like it might be more sanitary than weatherstripping? I thought a U-shaped tubing, as opposed to a round tube, with double-stick tape might work great.
Gill
Thank you thank you !! My teen son is perfectly healthy and insisted it's not him causing the puddles, but I'm almost certain he is still asleep when he goes to the loo first thing in the morning and I just can't cope with the constant screeching by the teen daughter when she steps in the puddles and the bickering while they argue who's pee it is ! I will certainly give this a go. Thanks for sharing :-)
Mike Marsten
Ron, After all this time have you had a problem with the stripping coming off? I would think the acidity of the urine would eventually break down the adhesive. Thanks, Mike
Yes, over time I have had to occasionally replace some of the strips. Given that I still had extra left over from the original roll that I bought, it has yet to cost me any additional money. It's a little bit of an icky job, but not horrendously so.
Angela
I am so thrilled I came across your blog! My parents are in their 80's and still pretty much self sufficient, but my mom is now going through this bathroom dilemma with my dad. I will be hitting the local home depot this weekend to purchase some weather stripping to modify their toilets and ease my mom's stress level. Thank you so much for sharing. Blessed be.
Angie
Thank you Ron for posting. I have a 12yr old son with Down Syndrome and have been fighting the same battle for months. Headign to the local hardware store in the morning.
Ginger
I have been on a major search for something my son can use. He needs something to deflect the urine but everything I come across is too large for him to get over or to keep between his legs. His problem isn't that it goes between the seat, it goes straight forward. I can't believe there aren't more options out there! Very frustrating!
MICK.
I have just read your suggestions and the comments that followed them. Your ideas certainly seemed to work well for your son and for quite a number of other people, but they wouldn't help me. I am in my eighties and have had two hip joints replaced. When I need to defecate, I am unable to "point down" or straight ahead, and I am obliged to lie on my bed and use a bottle before using a commode . Then I place a towell over myself and resign myself to dampening it - sometimes a bit, sometimes more than a bit - before I finish. (I have MS, by the way.) Has anyone else with two hip replacements had to cope with this problem?
Kay
Thank you! One of my sons never hangs straight down so this should do the trick especially since I'm ready to get rid of the potty seat. I'm definitely going to try this and still get the splash guard for when they stand.
proud momma
Thank you so much for your affordable solution! My son is 9 and had a brain injury at 8..he had to start sitting to go and has chosen to keep it that way. .his choice ..i can respect that. .though I'm dealing with the same issue. ..we will be trying this to hopefully eliminate cleaning up elimination lol
Angela
Thank you soooo much for taking the time to blog this with pictures. My son has autism as well and we've just recently achieved partial potty training. This will be a huge help and a much better solution than my blue tape and paper towels. Thank you again!
Amber
Thanks for the tutorial photos! My husband has a similar problem. He had to have his urethra stretched on more than one occasion, and it seems that scar tissue has created an issue; when he "goes", the stream splits and goes in two directions at once. Sitting or standing, he ends up making a mess by no fault of his own. I'll definitely be giving this a try. He's embarrassed by this problem, and I'm tired of cleaning the floor all the time. [Due to bad knees, he can't get down on the floor to clean.]
Lakesha
This will help me so much thank you for the instructions. My son 10 is also Autistic and I am trying to potty train and this was a huge issue for me! Like you I am like do I have to invent something because I was getting no where again Thank you.
Paul's daughter
I got some aluminum roof flashing at Lowe's, and bent it into a narrow "L" shape. I curved it like the seat and attached it to the seat with high strength double-sided tape. When the lid is down, the flashing is inside the bowl...blocking all exits, if you will. The double-sided tape has failed, so next I'm going to either glue it on or screw it on, so I don't have to bother with it. The flashing doesn't rust. I can just get a new toilet seat when the time comes.
Old guy with issues
Thank you
James Sharpe
One would think the manufacturers would have remedied this problem before now .JS
Rene.B
Just side note that when men/boys sit to poop, we will sometimes pee at the same time which goes on the front rim which causes dripping down the front outside. Im over 40 and as I poop the exertion sometimes causes me to urinate at the same time. This is the main cause I think as we normally don't have an issue peeing into the bowl when facing inward. Thanks for this tip.
Maureen
Thank you for your ingenuity! My toilet issue came down to a forceful jet of water that hits the bowl just right (on every flush) which had led to a constant puddle of water on the floor. Since there wasn't a need of a medical device this was a brilliant solution. Thanks for sharing
Hiswife
Thank you so much for this!!! I have that problem with my husband who has PSP and nothing has worked...I will do this tomorrow!!! Thank you again
Ed Fox
another simple fix for peeing between seat and bowl is a lay flush seat, that sits right on the rim with no feet holding it off the rim.
Kevyn Jordan
This is an AMAZING solution to what seems to be a relatively common problem. I am super grateful for the idea and instructions. My special needs 12 year old has the same issue and this is a LIFE SAVER!! No more bathroom messes and no embarrassment with house guests!! I can't thank you enough.
Dan
I'm a full functioning adult and have trouble with this. Something about the combination of my anatomy with one particular toilet in our house has made this a recurring problem. I like your idea and am going to try to improve upon your design. I'll come back and post an update if I come up with something worthwhile.
Wyman
My problem (at 82) is when I sit it's short and doesn't "hang down." If I don't remember to hold it down and lean forward it's a problem. I'll give the weatherstripping a try. It's nice to know I'm not the only one having a problem.
Ceci
THANK YOU!!! I care for my elderly father and this has been an ongoing problem that not only soaked the floor, but also the pants that were inevitably around his ankles when he sat down to urinate!! Your idea has saved me two loads of laundry a day and countless hours!! THANKS FOR SHARING!
Ann Ony Mouse
Just want to point out that this idea works in reverse as well - I have had weight-loss surgery and while this has many up-sides there are a couple of downers as well - one being very loose stool. So basically paper doesn't work to clean me up and instead I use a shower head to jet water at the required place. Problem is, water then starts to jet into the seat and bowl gap at the back of the toilet, and drip down the side and puddle. I am hoping your solution will work at the back as well as at the front of the seat
Cindy
You, my friend, are a blessing to my family! Thank you so much for sharing your beautiful solution with those in need! May God Bless You Forever ! <(o=',
Laurel
Thank you so much. I have young students in my classroom who have special needs and are struggling with this issue right now. I will be impkementing this solution this weekend!
Sharon Reams
Really this is a fabulous idea for covering the gap between lid and toilet bowl. You did a great job. Keep it up buddy and please don't forget to share if you done anything in the future.
Katrina
Just for the record, not just elderly and young men with special needs have this problem. My perfectly healthy adult son has this issue. I have no idea what the reason is and he's too old for me to ask. Obviously, sticking a deflector on the toilet is going to embarrass and anger him. I tried all the nice little signs behind the toilet and I am SICK of going on a mad cleaning spree to clean up dried urine from the bathroom floor, walls and toilet, that he would share with my guests, when they come over. He manages to even get spray on the opposite wall behind where he would stand, in addition to the front of the toilet bowl, leading me to believe that it's leaking between the seat and bowl. That bathroom looks and smells like a gas station bathroom and I have my own bathroom to clean. He does clean it, but not to my standards. I am out of ideas other than have a complete war with my son, who may not even be able to help it, but not be able to tell me that. I'm going to try this wonderful idea and if it works, you are my personal life saver. Now if I can only get him to not spill shaver hairs all over the place too. ;)
Joan Coxhead
Medical Device For all those Caregivers who are struggling with male Patients who have problems keeping the pee in the toilet....... This is a major problem because it means a lot of laundry and bathroom floor clean up.....multiple times per day and night. I called all of the Medical Supply stores in the area and not one of them had a solution. But there is a solution. I did a lot of research on the internet and found a "P Guard". Some are designed to cover the gap between the toilet seat and the bowl. However, these still have problems in that the adhesive to hold them in place fails. Then I saw a posting from a mother of an autistic boy. She sealed the gap with foam weather stripping (stick to underside of seat). I found that rubber weather stripping is available so that is what I am using. Weather stripping was only a partial solution for this Patient. Pee was still coming over the toilet seat. (Patient's penis is enveloped by massive hernias and he is unable to direct the flow of urine.) Then I found the "Madda Guard Splash Guard". Problem solved. There are other designs of splash guards but this is only $20 and works well. This is available at Amazon. No more wet & stinky clothing. No more walking on wet floors. I also installed a higher, elongated toilet. For the cost of a toilet and splash guard I anticipate being able to keep the patient home longer rather than have him moved to an Assisted Living facility....at a cost of over $4,000/mo. Note that standing is not an option for this patient. But the pee problem can be managed.

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